Prenatal Breastfeeding Prep

Pregnancy is both exciting and confusing, especially if you’re a first-time mom-to-be. It’s easy to get wrapped up in the labor and delivery part of the action and many moms spend so much time focusing on bringing baby into the world that they forget about the rest. But once the delivery is done and you have a new little love in your hands, absolutely everything changes. 

For many moms, one of the most time-consuming and all-encompassing postpartum tasks is breastfeeding. A newborn baby feeds every two to three hours, eight to 12 times a day, around the clock. For the ill-prepared, this new schedule can come as a bit of a shock to the system. So what can moms do to get ready for the demands of breastfeeding? That’s what we are going to talk about today. 

Our guest for this episode is Albany, New York-based IBCLC Patty Lane. Patty has been an IBCLC for over 25 years and has a special place in her heart helping parents on their breastfeeding journey. 

Transcript

Unknown: 0:13

So what I would say is some note to accounting and say I just want to make sure you've got the invoice

Patty Lane: 0:24

forwarded to that. I did. Okay,

Unknown: 0:29

so

Patty Lane: 0:31

does it worried about it getting paid right away? usually end of the month. Okay, that was my next question. Is there a will they Hi.

Unknown: 0:39

Hi, Patti.

Patty Lane: 0:40

Hi. How are you? Good. How are you? This looks very official.

Amanda Gorman: 0:45

I know. I know. I didn't make it happen. It's Chelsea next to me. She made.

Unknown: 0:52

Hi Chelsea.

Patty Lane: 0:55

Oh, can you hear me? Yeah, can Hi. How are ya? Good. It's nice to meet you in person. Here. I'm just like hiding over in the corner. Yeah, that's okay. Don't Yeah, we can we can fiddle with that later.

Amanda Gorman: 1:11

Oh, yeah. The cameras up there. It's very confusing here. Chelsea has. Well, she has a little boy at home. But she has a three week little girl that

Patty Lane: 1:19

just arrived. Is she with you? know, she's not just the pump. She's not okay. We'd rather be able to keep her quiet. Oh, I know. I know. Well, that's reality, right?

Amanda Gorman: 1:32

I said that. I was like, Oh, yeah.

Patty Lane: 1:35

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's hard to, you know, me. I'd be like, you can pick the baby up?

Unknown: 1:45

Oh, well, thank

Amanda Gorman: 1:46

you very much.

Patty Lane: 1:47

Oh, yeah, I think I, you know, I have lots of notes. So you'll probably see me like looking down at my notes. So I don't forget anything. I had, I was wondering about like I have, when you say what tips, I have, like 12 tips. And then I thought, like, I could say the 12 tips. And then we can kind of go back and talk about each of them. Or I could just say them and talk about each one. What do you think? Let me say?

Amanda Gorman: 2:20

Why don't you tell me like, were you just going to read like the list?

Patty Lane: 2:26

I could I could do either,

Amanda Gorman: 2:28

you know, say or and give me your input. But I was gonna say, maybe read the list, but tell me which ones to say. Tell me about this one. Okay.

Patty Lane: 2:38

Okay. Um,

Amanda Gorman: 2:42

how to do down and go into more depth on

Patty Lane: 2:49

it just time, right? So we're just looking at time, and I don't want to get it Don't wait. That's the tough part. Right? It's because I don't want to get so what we can do is why don't we try to do just like Haskell s and then at the end, we'll look at our time and then I'll and then at the end, you can do that. Any other tips you want to share? And then we can kind of see how we go. What do you think? Okay, so I'm gonna number two, we may never get to any other question. Right? Right. Right. Cuz that's what I was thinking. So I'm gonna eliminate like, I'm rooming in because one would hope that everybody's doing that. Um, but it's like early and often breastfeed suit after the birth, breast milk only no bottles, no pacifier, skin to skin. And then there are other the other things we're going to be routine exams. Like, with the baby, you know, in my presence, or you know, mom holding the baby rooming in asked for help pump if you don't nurse within the first two hours. So those things can we cannot we don't have to talk about those. Hey, why don't you just keep them. And so then if we look at time, and we're at like, you know, 26 minutes, and we have time, then I can go and I can say let me and I can give her the thumbs up and she'll go. That's amazing. before we let you go, Patty, any other tips you think people need to know? Okay, perfect. Yeah. And if we don't have time, then we just won't. Okay, that sounds sounds

Unknown: 4:18

good.

Patty Lane: 4:19

So just to go over the quick like 411 that we totally talked about this on the phone, but I know you and I talked about a month ago. So just to refresh. This is supposed to be fun, cool, casual chat amongst girlfriends so that people who are listening feel like they're not really being told what to do. But they just so happen to like have a best friend who knows about breastfeeding. So we're recording we're not live. So if at any point you say something that you're not comfortable with, it can always be edited out. So don't worry about anything at all that should it's all going to be you know if this is going to run in about a month's time, so it's not half it's not going on as we're talking so don't worry about that. Okay, midway through Amanda, we'll talk about breaking for commercial, she'll stay. She'll say, stay with us. She'll be quiet for a few seconds, and then she'll jump right back in. We Okay, we'll fill in later. Okay, so that's that's that. And then if you're running over on time I make questions and send Amanda a little note that just says, skip this, skip this. So if we do skip some questions, it's probably just means that we're going over on time. Okay. But other than that, there's not going to be any curveballs or anything like that. Just have fun. Like I said, just you know, pretending like it's a friend asked me asking the questions, and I think this will be a great episode. So let's do it when you guys always fight if if I say something, and and I like, Oh, no, I shouldn't have said that. Should I stop at that point, or just keep going? You can stop and you can say to me, like, Oh, I didn't want to say that. Can we? Okay, okay. Okay. But if it's something like a stumble or along those lines, don't worry about it. Okay, I want you to sound super polish and like, rehearsing we want you to just sound like the real deal. So okay, you know, don't be worried if it's like you miss a word or something. Okay, I want it to seem as if it's off the cuff. Okay. Like friends how they would people would normally talk, you know? Okay, awesome. Okay, sounds good. You ready to go, Amanda? I think so. save the

Unknown: 6:27

best for last.

Amanda Gorman: 6:32

[Intro] Hello there mamas and mamas-to-be, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Breastfeeding Unplugged. I'm your host Amanda Gorman. And today we're going to talk about how early breastfeeding preparation can really set you up for success when it's time for baby to be welcomed into the world. Pregnancy is both exciting and confusing, especially if you're a first time mom to be. It's easy to get wrapped up in the labor and delivery part of the action. And many moms spend so much time focusing upon bringing baby into the world that they forget about the rest. But once the delivery is done, and you have in your hand, absolutely everything changes. For many moms one of the most time consuming and all encompassing postpartum tasks is breastfeeding. A newborn baby feeds every two to three hours 10 to 12 times a day around the clock. And for the ill prepared, the schedule can come as quite a shock to the system. So what can moms do to get ready for the demands of breastfeeding? That's what we're going to talk about today. Please join me in welcoming our guests for this episode, Albany, New York based IBCLC Miss Patty Lane. Patty has been an IBCLC for over 25 years and has a special place in her heart helping parents on their breastfeeding journey. Patty works with moms and babies through La Leche League, private practice, online support support groups, the New York State WIC program and with us at Nest Collaborative. Patty has authored several pieces of breastfeeding literature, trained numerous staff at the New York State WIC Training Center, and was part of the steering committee for the New York State Breastfeeding Coalition. Welcome Patty. It is really great to have you with us.

Patty Lane: 8:23

Thanks, Amanda. I'm so happy to be here.

Amanda Gorman: 8:26

Awesome. Well, we are so excited for today's show. And I'd love to start by just hearing a bit about your story and how you got involved in breastfeeding education as a career.

Patty Lane: 8:36

Thanks. Well, long before I had my first baby, I knew that I had wanted to breastfeed because I had heard about all the health benefits of it. And mostly that it was free. I was thinking like, why wouldn't you do this if it's free. So when I was pregnant with my first a good friend gave me a copy of a book called The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding. And it's a La Leche League book, which I read cover to cover. And initially, I had some challenges with breastfeeding. And I worked through them with the help of a lactation consultant that we had through our health care. And, um, you know, I got through all those problems, and we were just sailing along and then when she was about four months old, I got really sick. And I required a medication that I was told was not compatible with breastfeeding. So it really threw me and I had no idea what to do. And someone suggested I call La Leche League. So I did and not only did they tell me, I could continue to breastfeed, you know, they helped me through and, you know, I took the medication and I was able to, you know, pump and discard some milk and get right back to breastfeeding. And the leader was just so helpful. I started to go to meetings. And then shortly after I became a La Leche League leader. So that was the beginning of my breastfeeding bug. And then I went on to become internationally board certified. So I've been doing this for a very long time. And you'll hear my enthusiasm about moms and babies and breastfeeding.

Amanda Gorman: 10:17

Well, thank you so much. And, and we know, you know, all of our team members are enthusiastic. But you know, I'm really continuous, continuously impressed with those of you that have been practicing for so long, because it is very evident. All that you've learned and offer to our moms. So we're really excited. And thank you for sharing that story. We love having you as a consultant with our Nest Collaborative, so I'm happy that you're here for today's show, which is all about prenatal breastfeeding prep, which we both know is absolutely crucial to early feeding success. So let's jump right in. Based on your experience, what should women do before baby comes to prepare for breastfeeding?

Patty Lane: 11:01

No, the best advice I could give a woman is to learn as much as you can about breastfeeding. The more that you know, it'll be easier for you. And you'll have a better idea of what to expect. It's empowering yourself with lots of information. I also suggest that pregnant women meet with a lactation expert prenatally. You can do this through your provider, through the hospital, um if you're having a hospital birth through a class or a group. And right here with Nest Collaborative. We love talking with moms prenatally about breastfeeding. And then, you know, we follow with them, follow up when they have their baby. Definitely family and friends. You know, you got to be careful about family and friends though, because they always want to tell you their horror stories. But that's, you know, it's it's a place to start with talking with them. The main thing you want to learn about is the importance of breastfeeding. And you know why, why you're choosing to do this and think about that. I encourage women to talk with their their healthcare provider, your OB, or your midwife about your plans to breastfeed. Educate your partner, you need that support. So bring your partner in on, on, you know, the classes and the information that that you're getting, you may want to attend a La Leche League meeting. We love it when women come when they're pregnant. But it's about creating that support system. I say it's about having a breastfeeding cheerleader, you know, think about who that can be. Maybe it's your mom, your sister, maybe it's Nest Collaborative. And you want to know that breastfeeding is natural. It's a natural thing, but it doesn't come instinctively. You know, in past generation skills and technique techniques were passed from one generation to the next. Girls grew up watching their moms and their aunts breastfeeding. It's a little bit different now. You know, we've lost some of that. So, but there are people out there that want to help you with with your breastfeeding journey.

Amanda Gorman: 13:11

Yeah, absolutely think- things are quite different than they were decades ago. And and you're absolutely right. The research says that that has directly impacted success rates. What what tips can help get a new mom started on the right foot with breastfeeding once baby does come?

Patty Lane: 13:31

So I think the best thing to do is to have a plan. And if you are the person who has a birth plan, you definitely want to include breastfeeding in that in that plan. Consider writing it down, you know, talk to your partner about it. I always say when you're when you're giving birth, you can't really fight for your rights, you can't really fight for what you want, you know, you need to have somebody with you that can say this is what she wants to happen, you know, with with breastfeeding, it's it's the same thing, you're in a very vulnerable state. So you just want to have a plan.

Amanda Gorman: 14:09

I love it. When is the best time to start planning to breastfeed?

Patty Lane: 14:15

So I often say um, you know, whenever whenever you want, you know, you may be a planner, I was one of those people that planned everything out. So I started thinking about it very early, but definitely by the by that third trimester. You know, when you're starting to get ready for baby, you need to think about what you're going to do when that baby actually gets here.

Amanda Gorman: 14:38

Great. So what questions should a mom-to-be be asking her provider. Her, you know, OB or midwife about breastfeeding?

Patty Lane: 14:47

I would say they want to ask how they support breastfeeding. What are they- what do they have in their practice for moms in terms of lactation support um and asking

questions like: 15:01

Can I room-in with my baby? Can I keep my baby with me on just all of the things that you're including in your plan. And we can talk a little bit about things to include in your plan.

Amanda Gorman: 15:18

So you just talked about room-in. Can you explain what that is?

Patty Lane: 15:22

That's really keeping your baby in your room with you in the hospital. And not only do you deserve that, after all you've been through, you know, through that pregnancy, it's not always it's not always a picnic. And, and that birth so you can get to know your baby, and understand how your baby's communicating when when they're hungry when they're tired when they want to be in your arm. So, so definitely um keep your baby with you. And most most hospitals and birthing centers are doing that now.

Amanda Gorman: 15:55

And is rooming in beneficial for the breastfeeding relationship?

Patty Lane: 15:59

Absolutely, because one of the things we talk about is breastfeeding your baby early, like as soon after the birth as you can. And then often. So and you know, often, as you said in the beginning, you know, you're you're nursing your baby, eight to 12 times in a 24 hour period. That's about every two hours. So you want your baby there and new babies, then there's more often. You know, when they're in utero, all their needs are being met. They're getting all their food through the umbilical cord, and all of a sudden, they're- they're in the world and they're hungry. So we want to um, you know, their, their stomachs are really tiny, we want to keep them well nourished in the beginning. And that's where that 10 to 12 times comes in. And that's the importance of having your baby near you in the hospital.

Amanda Gorman: 16:49

That is super helpful to know. This is all really fantastic information for for moms. And I think a lot of this prep really sets them up for an ideal breastfeeding relationship. We we are going to take a really quick break and we'll be right back to ask you Patty some more questions in just two minutes. So everyone stay with us. Hey, mamas and mamas to be we are back with New York based IBCLC Patty Lane, take- talking all about how to get prepped for breastfeeding before baby comes. So Patty, I wanted to ask is there anything a mom to be can do to get her breasts prepared for feeding? A lot of people talk about like toughening up the nipples. Is this a thing? If there's other things they should be doing?

Patty Lane: 17:42

That is a great question. Because, um, years ago, we used to say that to women that they had to toughen up their nipples to get ready to breastfeed. And I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty scary. And that message came from women who had sore nipples. So it occurred to somebody that you should get your nipples ready to breastfeed. And again, it's like that knowledge of how to get a baby onto the breast with a good latch, and getting that support that you need if you do have sore nipples. Sore nipples are not a part of breastfeeding. You know, if you have- experiencing any discomfort, you need to get help immediately. So no, there's nothing you need to do to prepare your nipples for breastfeeding. You could talk to your obstetrician, if you have concerns, any concerns about your breasts or your nipples? nipples come in all sizes and shapes and some nipples may be flat or inverted. So you can talk with your OB, through your pregnancy, about that, you know, just say, hey, do my nipples look, okay, you know, and they'll and they'll let you know.

Amanda Gorman: 18:54

Alright, well, what are the breastfeeding essentials that a mom should buy? Or at least borrow prior to baby coming?

Patty Lane: 19:02

Well, remember I said it's free, right. And there are so many things that you can purchase for breastfeeding. Breastfeeding has become so popular, which we love. You know, many women are initiating breastfeeding. But honestly, there's not a lot of things that you do need for breastfeeding. But let's talk about a couple of things that moms find helpful. And the first thing that I always see when I'm working with moms is they have a breastfeeding pillow. There's a great one that I love called My Breast Friend, and I like that one over some of the others because it's flatter. So the baby's not, you know, curving and falling in toward mom. It also allows you to kind of have your hands free. You know, I've seen moms use it and they can kind of you know have their phone in their in their hands. Not in the beginning, but once you get comfortable with breastfeeding. Definitely a nursing bra is a good idea. Just two or three to start with, um, you want one that you can open with one hand, because you'll have your baby in your arm. If you don't want to wear a bra, you don't have to wear a bra. Some moms like the breastfeeding camisoles that they have. Another thing that I like to encourage women to have is a really nice cloth baby carrier. Because babies like to be close to mom, and one that you could breastfeed in is even better. So any of the cloth carriers that allow you access to your breast. Another thing that we hear a lot about is pumps, breast pumps. It's wonderful that our insurance now covers on the- covers them. And women can check into it. I always say find out now while you're pregnant, about the pump that you can get through your insurance company. You may not need it in the beginning. If you're going back to work, it's very helpful to have a pump, but it's nice to have it on hand. And then if you had you know a baby that was a preemie or a baby that's having a hard time nursing, you have it. So definitely check with your insurance company. The other things that are not musts but are nice to have. They have great nursing clothing. And if, you know they have slats and openings so you can nurse discreetly. But think about you know what clothes you're gonna wear, you know, if you have a one piece dress, you're probably not gonna wear it to your nursing time. But you know, two pieces are totally fine. But other than that, you know, maybe some nursing pants, but not a lot. You don't need a lot.

Amanda Gorman: 21:49

That's helpful. That is helpful to know. I think the energy and the excitement can sometimes lead to over clicking on Amazon, too.

Patty Lane: 21:58

Yeah. That's for sure. That's for sure.

Amanda Gorman: 22:03

So how about for the moms who have breastfed before? Should they expect a similar experience with their next baby?

Patty Lane: 22:11

Well, the good news is, um, if it's if it was not a great experience, every new baby is a new opportunity. At- that baby is not going to be like your first one or your third one or your second one, every baby is completely different. So your body is, you know, acting as if they've never nursed this baby before, obviously. But if you have had other babies and have breastfed, we know that mom's milk may come in quicker as the milk supply increases. And she may have less engorgement. So it's actually a little bit easier to nurse your your second or third or fourth or fifth baby. But we- you know, every baby is different. But definitely It doesn't mean you cannot nurse the next baby. Give it a try. Absolutely.

Amanda Gorman: 23:05

Now, what about conversely, should a mom presume that if she had a successful experience the first time that it will likely be an easy go with the next baby?

Patty Lane: 23:15

I like to think so. Yeah, you know, because she figured it out and she hasn't had any problems. She will probably have no, no bumps along the way. Although she could like I said every baby is different. I say, you know, I wish they all came with owner's manuals, because they're all so different. Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah.

Amanda Gorman: 23:39

So, um, this chat has been really interesting. And I can absolutely see why moms should get themselves ready to breastfeed while they are still pregnant. I know it can be hard to focus on anything other than the labor and delivery, but you've given us about 100 reasons why moms need to and it's really been such a pleasure to have you with us. But, you know, do you have any last tips or any need to knows that you can share from your wealth of experience?

Patty Lane: 24:08

Absolutely. You know, some some things that I would like moms or moms-to-be to remember is, early and often, soon after the birth, and every two hours. All your baby needs is breast milk. We want to avoid bottles and pacifiers. Do skin to skin. Skin to skin is the best you definitely want to do it in that first hour or two following the birth and ask for help. Ask for help. There should be lactation consultants in the hospital. As I said, we're here at Nest Collaborative. I've often said to moms, you know, here's my number, take it with you to the hospital, give me a call if you if you have a problem. If it's you know, midnight, there may not be a lactation consultant there. You know, try to limit your visitors and enjoy that time on getting to know your baby. Lots of skin to skin. You know it's it's really is a- an incredible time that you will not get back, you know. So enjoy those those moments with your with your brand new baby.

Amanda Gorman: 25:19

So skin to skin, can you break that down for moms who may not have heard that term before?

Patty Lane: 25:25

Perfect. Yeah, skin to skin is when mom has her shirt off, or her shirt open. So she has nothing, you know, no bra or if it is it's, it's totally open so the baby has access to the breast. And baby is in a diaper only. If it's a new baby in the hospital, you can keep that that hat on to keep the baby nice and warm. And we can put a blanket over mom and baby. But what we know is mom's body will actually heat up to warm her baby. When babies are skin to skin, they will often find the breast and latch on their own. And when that happens, mom has less breastfeeding problems. Um we know that when babies are skin to skin with mom, following the birth, they're more comfortable, there's less crying, their blood sugar levels are better. And it also calms mom down. You know, because she's she's got her baby, right there skin to skin. Even with the C section, you can still have your baby up on your up on your chest. And I've also seen lots of information about the partner doing skin to skin. You know the partner's body will actually warm up and keep that baby warm. So it's it's a- plus, it's really awesome to do.

Amanda Gorman: 26:50

So you bring up someone that we really should just talk about before we go. What tips would you have for dads or partners to be able to prepare for their partner breastfeeding in the home?

Patty Lane: 27:05

That's such a great question. Because you know, so often we hear moms talk about how the partner feels left out. And there are so many things that the partner can do to be to feel included. And definitely the number one thing is to support mom. I love it when I'm working with with a woman and her partner's there because mom's tired, she may not be able to remember everything. But the partner can also be involved with the baby. They can help with positioning, they can help with diapering, rocking, bathing. They can lightly bounce the baby when the baby's fussy, and hold that baby skin to skin. If mom is doing a lot of pumping, dads can help with that, you know those pump parts need to be cleaned. So there are a lot of ways to include that partner. And I think the number one thing for the partner is to offer words of encour- encouragement for that mom, like you got this, we can do this. Oh, look at that baby swallowing. Because we don't get enough encouragement. And, you know, new moms really need that.

Amanda Gorman: 28:23

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, I remember, you know, no, I do remember my husband, one of the greatest gifts he did in support was just bringing me that glass of water-

Patty Lane: 28:33

Yes.

Amanda Gorman: 28:33

Everytime I sat down. And that might be a you know, kind of a last a last tip to touch on is, you know, a breastfeeding station or kind of thinking ahead of time of of where your spot might be in the house. And so what makes a breastfeeding spot a good one? And what should moms plan to have available in their spot.

Patty Lane: 28:57

I loved that advice when I was a new mom. I hadn't thought about it before I had my baby and then I would be sitting with the baby in my arms and I couldn't reach anything. So you want to have what you need within your reach. So definitely your water or another beverage if you'd like a snack is always nice. You're burning lots of calories when you're nursing. If you'd like your cell phone nearby, the TV remote, a book to flip through, you will be able to do this one handed, maybe not right away. But you you will. You may want some some nursing pads and a burp cloth. I had one mom that used to have a basket because she had other children and she said you know I was moving around the house. So I had my little nursing basket. So I had everything I needed. And it you know, but definitely the water. And that's a good thing for partners to do. Why? Because you're thirsty. You don't need water to make milk but you're thirsty.

Amanda Gorman: 29:58

Yeah, it is quite a phenomenon. You know, and I'll add one little tidbit is I never- I underestimated the importance of a foot prop.

Patty Lane: 30:07

Yes.

Amanda Gorman: 30:08

I didn't understand why they made nursing stools until I actually used one once and thought, Oh, well, they make this for a reason.

Patty Lane: 30:16

Yeah, there's the small stools. I actually, you would laugh, I have one under my feet right now. Because you know, I haven't used it for nursing in a while, but it's great under your desk. It just brings your knees up and when you're nursing, it brings baby in, in closer.

Amanda Gorman: 30:32

Oh, my goodness. Well, Patti, this chat has been really interesting. And I absolutely know and understand why it's important to let moms know how to get themselves ready to breastfeed while they're still pregnant. You know, it was really fun to hear you. If listeners do want to get in touch with you or book a consultation or ask questions, what is the best way to do that?

Patty Lane: 30:52

Definitely through Nest Collaborative. I'm there and scheduling appointments with moms. And you know, I love, love working with moms. It's it's just been been a special privilege to have the opportunity to help moms in this awesome time of their life.

Amanda Gorman: 31:12

Well, now the privilege is ours that we get to have you on our team. So we're really thrilled. Mamas if, you know, we hope that you learned as much as we did, and we're really appreciative that we can be a little part of your breastfeeding journey. As always, this show is produced just for you. So if you do have a question, a topic idea, or just want to send some feedback our way, please find us on Facebook or Instagram at s-@breastfeedingunplugged, or on our website at Breastfeedingunplugged.com. If you're loving the show, please give us a review on the podcast platform of your choice to help us get in front of more mamas just like you. But until next week, it's me Amanda wishing you lots of luck as you navigate the wild world of motherhood. Boo bye. [Outro]

Patty Lane: 31:59

that's a wrap. Oh my gosh, I there were so many things. I was going to say that I didn't.

Unknown: 32:07

That's okay. You

Patty Lane: 32:09

know, I don't know. I'm like, I hope. I hope we got everything. And I you know, I had like a whole bunch of things about the health care provider,

Amanda Gorman: 32:19

ad libbed at the end, but I think it went really well. I know, I hope you

Patty Lane: 32:23

can piece this together. Chelsea? Yeah. Yeah, don't

Amanda Gorman: 32:28

you know, listen, I had never done one of these before. So um, you know, it took me a minute, but I think you did just fine. So

Patty Lane: 32:37

it's funny when I when I train for for the, you know, when I train with staff, we always have designs, and I'm the trainer that my co trainers always like, what are you doing? You're like completely off, you know, in left field, or you're ahead of yourself? Could you just follow the design? That's exactly what I did. I didn't follow this.

Amanda Gorman: 32:58

You know what, but following it, you know, that sometimes comes across boring, more dynamic when,

Patty Lane: 33:04

you know, I'm looking back, I hope I was gonna I could have talked about classroom, but that's okay. And I was, you know, I was listening to of course, the other podcasts. And I think, you know, it's like, we don't want to repeat a lot of the same or but of course, it's okay to repeat. But if people listen, they'll, you know, they would get great information from all of them.

Amanda Gorman: 33:27

I hope so. I mean, right. Before we we brought you on, we were looking at kind of the statistics they send us. And as Chelsea noted, we're not really doing any promotion for this. And but we have over 1000 downloads.

Patty Lane: 33:41

So that's Oh, wow. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, I was one mom that I was talking to today. I was telling her to go on. And listen, especially the one about the tongue tie. Because she had

Amanda Gorman: 33:55

no thank you. In fact, in a Chelsea said she's for I guess we have some reviews. But she goes, you could have your ibclcs going in, like give some star reviews. That'll boost it a little.

Patty Lane: 34:05

Yeah, yeah, we definitely Yeah, I can we can do that

Amanda Gorman: 34:08

we should definitely do to me that we should have when the teams are booking the prenatal appointments with particularly the ones that are on the phone with her texting, they should also just say, hey, by the way, if you look across, we have one out there. Yeah,

Patty Lane: 34:21

I mean, I think it's so it is just so helpful. The moms are so lucky.

Unknown: 34:28

No,

Patty Lane: 34:28

I think what you said, Patti, is that, you know, as much as you don't want to repeat things, you have to repeat things because I'm in this right now, like literally in it. So it's like and I've been This is my second so it's not as new but when you're a first time Mom, it's like there's so many things to know and remember, so yeah, you don't hear the same thing a few times. It's totally overwhelming and each individual episode, like I had a whole bunch of ideas for the next ones but it's like each individual episode. There's so They're such as like, they even take little tiny pieces of ever like I was going to tell him me and about like, injuries, breastfeeding injuries because when I had my first I had to have surgery for hobos, or whatever it's called, oh, declarants Yeah. There's this whole like thing that you could do with the with a PT about, like avoiding breastfeeding, because you see women and they're all hunched over. Right. Right. Yeah. All the things. That was one of the things that I am like always mm, like sitting up straighter. But there's so many little nuances of like, yes, you and how to do it. So I think it doesn't matter if something's some one. ibclc says the same thing as another because you have to hear it a few times. Because you have so much information coming at you. Yeah, yeah, no, you're right. And I and Mother Brain, right. Right. Is and lack of sleep, you know, all those things.

Unknown: 35:51

I mean, and I

Patty Lane: 35:52

wasn't sleeping prenatally because I right? Yeah, I would

Amanda Gorman: 35:55

get up re like three or four. And I would watch the reruns of

Unknown: 36:00

Oh, no, no, this

Amanda Gorman: 36:02

is even worse of a baby story on TV. Oh, yeah.

Patty Lane: 36:05

Oh, my God, I remember those

Amanda Gorman: 36:06

were how you would wake up to like a woman in in active labor. And he'd be like, why are you doing this? And I'm like, I don't know. I just watched 18 of them. But

Patty Lane: 36:17

you can't get enough of that. You know? Yeah, yeah. But I watched a lot of baby stories. I really think like that waking up on is helping you to get ready for a baby that's gonna wake you up.

Unknown: 36:32

I mean, something was happening. Yeah, it was the baby waking me up.

Patty Lane: 36:36

Yeah, yeah, I remember doing the same thing. And then I thought it was interesting. Like, the time that I would wake up was actually the time like I was, you know, it went into labor was very cool. I mean, yeah. Yeah. My husband always teases me because he says that I sleep the best with a newborn because I'm a terrible, terrible sleeper. So whenever the baby leaves, as soon as I'm done, I crash and I'll sleep really hard. Like, can't wake up for anything for the two or three hours and then get up and do it again, and then crash again. And that to me, like if I like, if I get to two or three hour sessions, it's like, unbelievable. So my husband's like, you're the only sleeps with a newborn, but I do. Yeah. It's all that oxytocin? Like, no, that's what I used to. I had a hard time falling asleep after I stopped nursing because I was like, pregnant or nursing for a decade. So then I didn't know how to fall asleep. You know, it was it was crazy. You know, and everybody who's like, well, I sleep the night I just, I just want to say never. Of course, I don't.

Amanda Gorman: 37:42

I mean, my Harold's five now, but I I nursed him till three. And I'm pretty sure he was still doing a night feed for most of that. Yeah. And I couldn't you know, I don't know if it was because he was my boy or my last but

Patty Lane: 37:58

I didn't care. It works. Yeah. Yeah. And I used to feel like when I had a new baby, it when it was just baby and me in the middle of the night. I loved it. Because I didn't have any you know, like, leather shoes with the baby again. sad eyes looking at me. I loved it. Do you have for? Yes. For God bless you and Joe for his great three girls and a boy. Yep. And two grandbabies. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. They're three and seven months. Are they close to you know, they're in Raleigh North and by Raleigh, North Carolina.

Amanda Gorman: 38:38

I'm fine. I'm going to rally random I

Patty Lane: 38:41

love that area. Love it.

Amanda Gorman: 38:44

Maybe you I don't know, my parents were not dying to live close to us. And be around to help out that much, really, until the pandemic and now they've moved here now. I let them help but at a distance because, you know, I never you know, but I think it's different for everyone how much they want to be around the grandkids. We're not

Patty Lane: 39:04

I was when when she had when she had her first I was I took care of him first first year. And that was going to be away. Now. The plan was for me to take care of her second for six months. But then pan the pandemic hit. And she's like, it's just not safe. You know? Because Because that she wanted to send the three year old to daycare, but I'm finally seeing them. I'm at a APR one. We're going down because we're I've been vaccinated and my husband so yeah,

Amanda Gorman: 39:36

yes. Yeah, we're random. My brother's in Charleston. And we haven't seen him in almost two years. So might we're all vaccinated. So, but it was so expensive to fly to Charleston, we're flying to Raleigh, because we have friends in apex.

Patty Lane: 39:51

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right by her. Yep. Yeah.

Amanda Gorman: 39:54

So we're going to surprise my daughter who hasn't. It's her best friend. Then she hasn't seen her in a long time.

Patty Lane: 39:59

Oh, So far yeah, we'll go. Um, she's my daughter's and Carrie and we drive it a lot, you know, because I've done it so many times.

Unknown: 40:07

But my

Patty Lane: 40:07

children, Oh, I know. Well, it's kind of boring to drive just, you know, with my husband and myself. But it's, it's good. Yeah, I know. You're You know what, Amanda, you're going to be there before you know I

Amanda Gorman: 40:21

already they're already they're already growing up and I can feel like the Yeah, tag a little bit. So I get it. But

Patty Lane: 40:27

yeah, but hopefully I'll have more grandchildren. But my my when my grand daughter was born, the one that seven months old. My daughter's labor progress so fast. I caught the baby. Oh, totally by mistake. Amanda. were like, did she make it to the hospital? Oh, no, she was on the toilet. Oh, yeah. It was cool. You're dying to be with them. It was crazy. Yeah. I had, like I had quarantined, and then I went down like a month before, so I could help her in that last month, with the you know, with the two year old. And the deal, you know, I was like, I'm gonna stay out of your way when you go into labor. Because, you know, I, if you need me, you just have to ask. So I heard her and it was during a hurricane. And her husband was like moving the car in the garage. So she didn't have to go out on the wind in the rain. And I heard her moaning. And my son in law had just said he like, here's the monitor, we're going to be going soon, you know? And I'm like, No, I'm going to go in and crawl into bed with the two year old. So I hear him. And I heard her moaning. And I'm like, I just need to give her like a hug and some words of encouragement. And I go into her, and she's on the toilet. And I see like, some blood and I'm like, Oh, I don't know about I don't remember bleeding a lot. But of course, you know, you don't look at what's going on. So she's really moaning. And I'm like, said, Are you okay? You know, you got this, you can do this. And then I looked at her and I'm like, I think you're pushing. And she goes, I'm really not I'm really not doing it. And my son in law comes back upstairs and he looks at me and he's like, what's going on? And I mouth call 911 he thought I was overreacting. And, and then and then and then she goes, she goes, I feel her coming. I feel it coming. I'm like, it's okay, I got her and I reached down. Guys like him. It was crazy. And the whole time I'm like, Oh, please be breathing. Please be breathing. You know, because I I know all that could go wrong. Thank God. She was great. And my my other daughters have a hard act to follow, huh. You know, and the whole the whole thing very happy. I know. They were tissues. Genevieve I know we were That's what she said. She's like, she really should have your your name. But um, it was it was just amazing. And I had always wanted to have a home birth. But my husband really didn't want me do

Unknown: 43:05

so well that put that pressure would have been on him.

Patty Lane: 43:08

I got the hopper, right. That is so cool. It was cool. It was It was terrifying and very cool. During the pandemic, you know, it was in August.

Amanda Gorman: 43:19

I was gonna say when he said hurricane cuz I we were out of power for a really long time.

Patty Lane: 43:23

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it was it was a privilege. Really?

Amanda Gorman: 43:28

Yes. Oh, my God. Oh,

Patty Lane: 43:30

yeah. I'll never forget it.

Amanda Gorman: 43:32

Well, I hope we have more time. You know, it's you, you I was just saying this to Lori, you know, you came in during what's been a whirlwind. And so I hope that we have a little more fun time like this.

Patty Lane: 43:44

Because Yeah, I know, I was thinking the other after the last meeting. I'm like, wouldn't it be cool if we could all get together at some point?

Amanda Gorman: 43:50

I mean, that's ideal. It's probably almost three years ago. Now. We actually went this is so nerdy. We went to a charm conference. And myself, Joanna. And Ryan, who's not who's not with us now. But charm put on this conference. And it was the only thing I could afford, right? Yeah. And it was so darn cheap. It was like $400 for the weekend with lodging and food.

Patty Lane: 44:16

Oh, fun. Wow. Yeah.

Amanda Gorman: 44:18

This I might be able to swing fress um, and that's the only time I've met Joanna in person and and I've met one other time. And don't get answered. She wants us all on a Disney Cruise.

Unknown: 44:33

I love it. No, I

Amanda Gorman: 44:34

Oh, is going to be necessary at some point.

Patty Lane: 44:36

Well, you know, the Center for breastfeeding does like a breastfeeding cruise. I don't know how but they do. Yeah.

Amanda Gorman: 44:43

Yeah. And now we're all going to be putting post COVID PTSD about cruises. I don't know. That's

Patty Lane: 44:47

right. Yeah.

Amanda Gorman: 44:49

We were in the Bahamas last year. In early March, and, um, you know, we were at the Atlantis where a lot of cruises con Oh, yes. Sure. Yeah. It And then the cruisers would come in and they all had a wristband and it was very funny the dirty like that there was like the resort people and then like they would do the cruisers like Oh, your COVID

Patty Lane: 45:10

Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I forgotten reasonably again. I don't think so. I don't Yeah, I don't think so. Anyway, all right,

Amanda Gorman: 45:19

let's you go thank great chatting and bill for this time please and I should lorrison Okay,

Unknown: 45:25

I should Lori's different. So okay, cool. Thank you. Thank you.

Patty Lane: 45:28

I loved it. Thank you. Thanks, Chelsea. Give that baby a big hug from me.

Unknown: 45:33

I will take care bye bye.