Breastfeeding Unplugged
Breastfeeding Unplugged
Breastfeeding Two Babies
Breastfeeding is tough enough, but what happens when there are two mouths to feed? Whether it’s twins or two babies at different ages, juggling the supply and demand of double duty is a whole new world. So how exactly do you do it? What is the ideal set-up for feeding? How can you be sure that both babes are getting enough of your good stuff? Let’s find out.
With us for today's show is Indianapolis-based International Board Certified Lactation Consultant, Aimbriel Lasley. In addition to her role as an IBCLC with Nest Collaborative, Aimbriel holds a Master’s degree in Health and Wellness Counseling and is a passionate advocate for ensuring that all families have access to healthy food, breastfeeding assistance, and education. Aimbriel is also the owner of Holistic Lactation Care, a private lactation practice in Indianapolis, and Black Mama Vegan, a vegan education and wellness platform that aims to show black families and vegan-curious families that being plant-based is attainable.
Aimbriel is with us today because she most certainly walks the walk. As a momma who breastfed her twin baby boys and older son all at the same time, she knows a thing or two about feeding multiples.
Thanks for joining us listeners, we hope you love today's show!
[Intro] Breastfeeding Unplugged. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome mamas and mamas-to-be. A podcast dedicated to helping moms navigate their way through the tricky world of breastfeeding. Breastfeeding Unplugged. Breastfeeding Unplugged. Hi there mamas and mamas -to -be and welcome to the wonderful world of Breastfeeding Unplugged. I am your host Amanda Gorman and today we are going to be talking about when the no vacancy sign gets lit up at the boob hotel. Twin and multiple baby moms, this week is for you. Breastfeeding is tough enough, but what happens when there are two mouths to feed? Whether it's twins or two babies at different ages, juggling the supply and demand of double duty is a whole new world. So how exactly do you do it? What is the ideal setup for feeding? How can you be sure that both babies are getting enough of your good stuff? Let's find out. With us today is Indianapolis based International Board Certified Lactation Consultant Aimbriel Lasley. In addition to her role as an IBCLC with Nest Collaborative, Aimbriel holds a master's degree in health and wellness counseling, and is a passionate advocate for ensuring that all families have access to healthy food, breastfeeding assistance and education. Aimbriel is also the owner of Holistic Lactation Care, a private lactation practice in Indianapolis and Black Mama Vegan, a vegan education and wellness platform that aims to show black families and vegan curious families that being plant based is attainable. Aimbriel is with us today because she most certainly walks that walk as a mama who breastfed her own twin baby boys and an older son all at the same time. She knows a thing or two about feeding multiples. Aimbriel, welcome to the show. It's so great to have you with us.
Aimbriel Lasley:Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. I'm excited.
Amanda Gorman:Awesome. So just to give listeners a little background, I know you're a very proud mom of four. You were breastfeeding your second child when you found out you were pregnant with twins.
Aimbriel Lasley:Yes.
Amanda Gorman:So I bow to you. Please tell us a bit about what that was like. Because it just blows me away.
Aimbriel Lasley:It blows me away still? Um, yeah. So my oldest son was about 9, 10 months when I started to feel like something's not right, like, something's going on. And so fast forward, and we get to New Year's Eve, we're at a friend's house, all of the things. And so by that point, things still were kind of wonky with my cycle. And so I told my husband, I was like tonight's the night, let's go ahead and take this test tonight and see what happens. And so it comes back. We're like, oh, we're pregnant. Okay. And again, he's 10 months at this at this point. So he's 10 months, I called my physician, I'm like, hey, I got a positive test wanna come in, hatever. I'm still nursing at he time. But I started to otice around that point that hen I was pumping, because I'm ack to work, I'm pumping, and y supply is just really on the truggle bus. And I'm like, man, hat is happening? I'm doing all he things. I'm drinking water.'m resting like, you know, even hough he's up I'm doing all the things. So, you know, I get the e. And she's like, well, you kno, you probably need to stop bre stfeeding, because you're pre nant again. And I'm like, hm, that's not in the plan, beca se I want to make it one year So to give some pers ective, so again, he's my seco d child. And but the first time breastfeeding, so I didn't brea tfeed my first I was a youn mom when I had her. So this was a very new experience. So e erything was new to me. But I ca e out the gate like I'm brea tfeeding for a year period, this is what I'm doing. So not brea tfeeding until one year wasn t an option. And she said, well I guess as long as you stay healthy, you're doing all the hings and I'm like, yep, we'r gonna keep going. So we do all he things. Yeah, there's one aby. There's one heartbeat. That s all we hear. So we go back about a month later for the ultr sound. Because they're like well, let's you know, let' just find out and see what s going on. Because you're not eeling well. You're doing you now, you're saying you're not eeling well. And they go in and ind baby a and baby b. And, ye h, that. Yeah, it was, um-
Amanda Gorman:I'm sure that moment is locked in your memory.
Aimbriel Lasley:It is locked in my memory, because it was very overwhelming. But I was very happy that you know, I made it to one year I felt like I could have kept going, I think, but I was still very happy to know that we pushed through those last two months to officially make it to the one year in February. Yeah, and be successful that way.
Amanda Gorman:Well, you're definitely, definitely a rock star. And I'm just I'm really thrilled to have you here with us today, because I know you have a lot to offer our audience. So let's start banging out some questions. I do want to start with something we will commonly hear from twin mamas to be who do want to breastfeed. They want to know are they actually going to be able to make enough milk? So are most mamas to be with twins able to do that?
Aimbriel Lasley:Yeah, most moms are. And I really, you know, I really tried to, again, take this holistic approach that this it really isn't much different when you're pregnant with one baby, right? Your body is going to it knows what's happening and knows what, what, how many babies it's growing. And so it naturally moves into this process of understanding what it needs to do once these babies are born and how it needs to nourish them. So I always start there and say, we're going to be positive, we're going to speak life into the fact that our bodies are designed perfectly and it knows what to do. So yes, just just like with the singleton, most moms are able to do it. It's a matter I really think it's a matter of getting over that mental block. Because even for me, I wasn't an IBCLC when I got pregnant with my twins, but even for me when I was like, how am I going to nurse two babies? How am I going to do this, you know how I just I was already doubtful before they were even here. And so it just took me to settle down, one of my best friends, she had had twins, just a few years prior to that. And so I leaned on her and she just gave me the encouragement. And then that's what I passed on to other moms, she was like you're capable, it will be fine, you know. And if for some reason you run into a roadblock, we'll just work through it. And so that's I definitely take that approach that your body is designed, and it knows what to do. Sometimes we may run into roadblocks, but we're not going to focus on that we're going to focus on the fact that you are healthy, we're going to keep you healthy, and you're going to deliver these two beautiful babies, and you're going to be able to nurse them and provide breast milk to them however that can happen.
Amanda Gorman:So in terms of actually feeding twins, what is the best way to do it? Do you do one at a time do you do at the same time? Does that change throughout the course of the first year?
Aimbriel Lasley:Oh, yeah, it definitely, it definitely changes throughout the course of the first year. I would say so here's the thing, what I, this is what I do. And this is my approach, what I did with my twins is a lot of times we have twins, and everybody's like, oh, you got to get them on the same schedule, you got to get them up. And I am just like, these are two different people with two different personalities, right? Even though they have the same birthday, they are still their own person. So we have to take those first few weeks, just like with a singleton baby and figure out who these little people are. So in my case, my baby a was super, he was like the ultimate breastfeed her. Right. He was super aggressive. He knew what to do. He was on it, baby b was not. Baby b cried, and he would barely latch and he just I struggled with that balance. Because again, in my mind and the things that I had heard and seen is twins, you put them on at the same time, you got to make sure you get them on the same schedule. And that's not always the case. So we have to take the time to approach it as though yes, these are these are two babies, and they're twins. They're born the same day. But they're two very different feeders, or they're two different different people. So I would say to try to understand which one is maybe the baby that's more efficient, right? Is it baby b that's more efficient than baby a? And if so, how can we use baby b- utilize baby b's skills to help you know his or her birth counterpart. So it may look like breastfeeding them one at a time for the first few days just to understand their behavior at the breast before we start to stick them both in tandem. So that's definitely something that I personally did and what I encourage other parents to do, I you know, I delivered in the hospital, and I said one at a time. And while I was feeding one, my husband was able to you know, help hold the other one, which most times it was baby b because he was he just slept and kind of was like whatever but baby a was on it every couple of hours. So I did that at first. But then the day, before I was going home. I was like I need to try this tandem feed thing like I need I need to do it once before I get home and I'm fumbling with things. So I am when I say tandem feed it's feeding them at the same time and feeding you're feeding them both in the football hold essentially. And that that the way you tandem feed definitely changes over the course of the first year because as they get bigger and they're more mobile, you can tandem feed by having one in cross cradle and laying the other one in their lap. And like so you're kind of feeding two babies and cross cradle at the same time like they're both laying across each other. I have some pictures Amanda if you want to see-
Amanda Gorman:I hope you have some pictures of it-
Aimbriel Lasley:I do. I have pictures of one baby being on the left and then the other one laying in their lap and feeding on the right. So that that changes as they get bigger. But um, but yeah, so you're tand m feeding, they're both kind of n football, you're kind of holdi g them both and- in that in th t football position. And a d that's kind of what you do. A d you just kind of let them go t it and let them take the r course on how long they want o feed, again because they're t o different babies. So baby a would like, be super efficien, he'd get done, maybe sooner a d baby b would be still like try ng to play catch up. So sometim s his feedings may go over five r six minutes versus baby a he's done. He's already re ting, whatever. But it defi itely changes throughout the cou se as they get bigger and more m bile, and you get the hang of ow to hold them both and all of
Amanda Gorman:No, I think that's good advice. I mean, that's something to consider for all moms even with singletons is, they are a being and they're gonna have their own personality and ways and, you know, we can't necessarily force things on them.
Aimbriel Lasley:And we can't read- we can't do things out of all these books all the time, you know, like, because, again, I am just really a big proponent of take the time to get to know your baby, and what their behavior is and what they like and don't like. And then you can maybe utilize some of the information you glean to how you can accommodate that to your situation.
Amanda Gorman:No, I think that's great advice. So I think we covered this a little bit. But in terms of your favorite positions for feeding twins, I mean, I certainly have the double football lounge chair, image in my head. But you know as your babies did get older, and like you said, once they're mobile, I guess they're choosing their position.
Aimbriel Lasley:Yeah. But in the beginning, yeah, I'm, I'm football hands down. I don't care if you have twins or if you have a singleton I just, because you got to think if your arms are kind of short, or if you're trying to reach across your body, I think for some people, it just it just can be kind of quirky to do cross cradle. But so I'm football hands down, because baby's right there underneath your body, you can tuck them in really close. And you can give them the support behind their neck as they need it. And I just feel, I just felt that they were more secure that way. So even if I was on the couch, and I kind of lean back and lean my head back, the fact that they were kind of tucked under my armpit, I felt I felt secure that they wouldn't roll off or go somewhere, versus then being in front of me. And me maybe relaxing a little bit and having that having that be a situation. So I'm definitely a proponent of football, again, like you said until they get older. And then maybe we can stack them on top of each other in a cross cradle position or you're nursing one at a time even.
Amanda Gorman:Yeah. So pumping with twins, how does that come into play? Does that happen? Or are they pumping constantly for you?
Aimbriel Lasley:Most of the time, they're pumping for you. And so I it's funny, because I just made a post about this on my Instagram is that I had the- I recognized that I had a- I guess what the nurses would say and even the doctors were saying a unique situation. So my babies, my twins were born full term, they were 38 six. They did not have to go to NICU. Baby a was seven pounds, baby b was six pounds, 10 ounces. Like so I realized that my children and my pregnancy was kind of an anomaly because that doesn't really happen with twins. And so I will say that for us, we were able to like jumpstart get breastfeeding them right away, you know, I pushed them out. They were vaginal birth, they were full term, all the things, right. And so I want to say with pumping, it definitely depends on your situation. So if you have full term twins, and full term babies, of course, and everything's going well then sure latch them on, try the different positions, do all the things. But in some cases where you may have those 33 or 34 weekers, who were born, it's going to look a little bit different. Kind of the same approaches with the singleton. So those babies sometimes struggle, they're a little smaller, they don't have the fat pads in their cheeks, they don't have the things necessary, all the mechanics kind of necessary to latch on. So for those moms who may need that extra assistance, definitely you want to possibly pump to kind of help move things along if babies aren't latching consistently and right away. But if you're in a situation where you do have full term twins, everything's all great. Same approach I'm going to tell you to spend- because it's another thing on the to do list. So I'm never encouraging any mom to pump sooner than what she needs to because it's it's another thing to do. So I'm always going to say, you know, think about how much time you have off of work if you have to return to work. And if you don't or if you have you know an extended amount of time off. Give yourself four- for singletons I say four weeks, with twins I say give yourself six weeks if you can. Because it's a lot. It's a lot to manage with two and and just in just trying to check all the things off your checklist with and trying to learn their behaviors, you know, you're, it's a lot. And so I usually say wait closer to six weeks if you can before you start to introduce pumping. And the same thing with the singleton, you're gonna, you know, trial it out, maybe pump once or twice a day, maybe pump after the morning feeds because typically our breasts are fuller in the morning, and then maybe shoot for another one later on in the afternoon and just kind of see how things go. Of course, as we know, your pumping volume or your pumping output doesn't dictate how much babies are transferring. So we definitely have to be mindful, and making sure that we have the education around the expectation of pumping, and what that looks like as well.
Amanda Gorman:So are there any tools that you kind of had in your bag, you know, that you love to recommend for twin feeding? Any special pillows, any special tricks?
Aimbriel Lasley:The My Breast Friend, twin feeding pillow, hands down, is the best thing that you could ever do for yourself, really the Breast Friend Pillow period, I just really like it. Um, and mine and I don't know, I haven't looked at them recently. And I don't know if every- but the one that I had, the one that I was gifted it had like a cover. So like I could pull up like a piece of string like over me. Yeah, and it kind of hooked around my neck, but it would cover the twins. So that was kind of cool even though I didn't use it because I didn't care who saw me breastfeeding or not. But definitely getting a twin pillow to feed them. And it's it's big enough to wear and stable enough that if you have them in football, you have them on their sides. Again, they're not going anywhere. One they're not moving around a lot in the beginning anyway. But two, it's it's so thick and stable that they're going to just kind of sit there even if you try to lean forward and reach for something, it has a little pocket that you can stick like a granola bar in it. Um, I outside of that I am not big on tools and gadgets and all of that because again, I think it's overwhelming for people to have all of these things. So at most have the breastfeeding pillow, maybe a footstool, having something to kind of prop your feet up. A footstool, an ottoman or something so that you can be comfortable. If you're tall, you may or may not like that, I'm on the taller side. So I was able to just kind of cross my legs or like cross one leg. But if you have c- you know a C section, of course having a footstool might help give you a little boost. But outside of that I don't really have any other like gadgets or anything that I typically recommend.
Amanda Gorman:No, I think bringing up the footstool is really important just because I remember, you know, buying my chair second hand and I was too cheap. I didn't want to splurge for an ottoman. And I really wish that I had known because I definitely would have. So I think that's a good thing for for moms-to-be to know is that, you know bringing your your lap up is is often really helpful. So what do you do if one breast is producing more than the other, which I know can be an issue for singleton moms. But I imagine now you're kind of juggling, scheduling and who's been where on which side more. Is that the case?
Aimbriel Lasley:Yeah, that's a really good one. Because I did have, my left side was the struggle bus, like no matter what, no matter what I did with the single- with my single son. And with the twins, the left side was just the struggle bus always. And so with the twins, what I would do, especially like I said, baby a could pull out anybody's milk anytime. So for baby b, if I knew he was going to be on the left side, sometimes I would put baby a on the left side first, get him going and get that breast stimulated. And then I pop him off, switch him back over to the right and then let baby b finish feeding on the left. And vice versa. Again, because and it if you have one twin that's kind of you know, struggling or lagging or can't doesn't have the strength to do it. That's a very key tip that I say is get get whoever's the strongest, get them on whichever side first, kind of let them get that let down and stimulate that milk, switch them because they're they don't care, they're going to be able to pull the milk so they don't really mind if you pop them off as long as they can get back on and get their milk they don't care. And then put the baby that maybe is a little bit weaker or has a little bit of trouble put them on that breast that flows easier or at least to get the flow going so they can then take over and help release that milk better. So I would say that and then you know, the old school way, you know, massage your breasts, use some heat and massage them you know, by themselves but massage them with some warm oil you know. Just like you would any other time. You need to loosen up a muscle or loosen things up, get some warm oil in your hands, you know, at some point and try to really just massage those breasts, put a heat pad on it, and let it work out. Now in the in the instance, that you really have a breast that's struggling, then maybe you do a couple of minutes of pumping, or maybe you utilize a Haakaa or something like that that has an active release that can help move that milk a little bit better for you in between. It isn't meant to drain your breasts, right, it's meant to just stimulate it. So always keep that in mind that we're just trying to stimulate, we're not trying to drain it. So that you have this, this collection or this volume. So- but primarily, I'm going to say use the twin that's the strongest to get things going, then put the other baby in that spot, then I'm going to tell you to move to some massage with some heat and kind of help move things that way. And then if those things aren't working, then I'm going to tell you to get that pump for a couple of minutes or a Haakaa and just kind of help and see if that helps with some act of release.
Amanda Gorman:So helpful. And again, I wish I had've known because I I've said this before, but I fed my son for three years on one side only. So had I had some help earlier, I would have taken those tips. So one thing's for sure, Aimbriel, twin moms like you are very, very im- just amazing. You know, listeners, I hope you've been listening to these tips. We are going to take a short break, but stay with us because when we do get back, I'm going to ask Aimbriel some more questions and really pick her brain about feeding two babies who are different ages and at different stages. So please stay with us. Like many of us, I've been trying to use less plastic in our household. I just tried Shambar, a new sulfate free shampoo and conditioner in a bar and it blew me away. Here's what I loved about Shambar, no yucky stuff, no synthetic fragrances or harsh color fading sulfates. As a mom, it feels good to know that I'm using a safer product, that my hair is healthier, and it's saving me more trips to the salon for coloring and more highlights. Each Shambar replaces two 18 ounce single use plastic bottles. It's a family business and for every order they donate a month's worth of soap to a family in need. What a relevant give back to make sure all families have the resources that they need a win win. Get your first bar absolutely free when you use the code first free all one word. First free on one of their flexible, cancel anytime, super easy subscriptions. Find out more at Shambar.com. Welcome back mamas. We are joined here today by Indianapolis based IBCLC Aimbrielle Lasley, who has just answered a ton of my questions about breastfeeding twins. But now I'd like to switch gears a little bit and talk about what it's like to breastfeed two little ones who are different ages. So firstly, like, let's say that you're breastfeeding, like yourself, you find out you're pregnant with number two, or number two and three. And is it okay to continue breastfeeding number one. You talked a little bit about this. So yes, I think you touched upon it but talk about moms who aren't sure.
Aimbriel Lasley:Yeah. So I always say as long as you have been healthy- and this is the general rule of thumb, most physicians are would be on board with this, but as long as you're healthy. And as long as you're not experiencing any adverse kind of feelings about it, then then yes, the big thing though, as you are pregnant, and you're breastfeeding a baby, your milk starts to revert back to colostrum because it's trying to gear up for this new baby. So at times, depending on where you are in your breastfeeding journey, and that that milk starts to kind of revert back, your baby may self wean- the current baby that's breastfeeding. They may self wean because either it's not enough, it's not satisfying, or it's kind of too salty for them because it just the milk composition changes. So I would say you know, just if you are wanting to continue and you are healthy, and you find no aversion to it, then do it and baby may just kind of self wean. But if you find that you're still breastfeeding and it becomes painful or becomes uncomfortable, because again, our body is now trying to create a new life and so our breasts and our nipples sometimes can get more sensitive. And so it may be worth a conversation with your physician or your IBCLC, your LC, to talk about, you know, maybe some some ways that you can work on helping to wean your baby if you need to. But in all cases, if you're fine with it, then I say keep going. Sometimes later on in the pregnancy because of that stimulus it can cause contractions, or, you know, maybe a mild case of Braxton Hicks or something like that. So that's also something to consider and think about is, as you get later on in your pregnancy, if you're continuing to breastfeed, just being really mindful of how your body is changing as you are getting later on in your pregnancy, and how that feels. And if you start to notice any of those sensations, it may be a good idea to, again, have a conversation around, maybe let's go ahead and look to wean or cut back on feedings or something so that again, we can you can stay healthy and that your new baby can continue to grow and develop appropriately.
Amanda Gorman:Yeah. So baby number two now arrives, how do you juggle breastfeeding two babies at two different ages?
Aimbriel Lasley:I you know, it depends, kind of the same thing. It depends on how old that older, the other baby is and what they're doing. So even when you have a singleton, right, and maybe you're at the point where you're like, hmm, I'm kind of over it, and your baby's like, hmm, well, I'm not. It's very much so, you know, maybe it's, there's a couple different ways to approach it. One way is, let's maybe find some some other activities or things for that baby to do. So maybe they can, we can offer them another small snack, we can offer them maybe water, we can offer them some other things. That doesn't help, okay, maybe we can just have a conversation because our kids are very smart. So even if they can't fully communicate back to you, they understand what you're saying to them, even in infancy, even as baby babies. So maybe it's like, you know, we just talked to our little one or our toddler and just say, "Hey, you know, mommy needs to spend- mommy wants to spend time with you and our new baby. But why don't you draw a picture while you sit next to me? Why don't- let's, why don't you have a snack and sit next to me while I feed the new baby? Or, do you want to help me hold the new baby while I'm feeding? Or help me hold the new baby while you sit next to me?" Giving them different suggestions and ways to help them still feel included. But maybe not breastfeed. Even by the point and I'll just say this, my my son was 18 months old when the twins were born. And so again, it had been six months since he had nursed. But when I was nursing them, he was attached to my hip. Like, you know, he was yeah, he was like, wait, I remember that. Wait, I, you know, and so even with having the two babies, one on each breath, he would sit next to me and we'd read a book together or he'd have just a toy or a car. And so, you know, even though I'm trying to pay attention to make sure that they're latched on well, or whatever, I would engage with him and ask him questions about his toy, or, you know, what did you like about that? We don't like we don't watch a lot of TV. But sometimes if we turned on the TV to watch a little bit, it would be like, oh, what's going on? What is Thomas the train-
Amanda Gorman:I was gonna say it's little Daniel Tiger here and there's-
Aimbriel Lasley:Yeah, little Thomas the Train, you know, all that. We throw that in there. So I definitely think that there are ways to incorporate the new child without necessarily having to breastfeed unless you just want to continue.
Amanda Gorman:Well, I mean, obviously feeding two babies is a demanding task. So what foods or drinks do you recommend, if any, to help maintain or boost supply?
Aimbriel Lasley:Yeah, so food is my is my jam. So I am always talking about Whole Foods. So lots of leafy greens, vegetables, fruits, and I'm a big proponent of the thing that I always tell any family is that, especially for moms, we have so much to do and sometimes we can be overwhelmed, right, especially when you have two babies, whether they're twins or you're feeding at different ages. So instead of us trying to focus on you eating these three big meals, let's focus on you eating more nutrient dense snacks, okay, and so, nutrient dense snacks are going to be things again, that may be smaller, but they're going to give you more nutrients that are going to help you stay nourished, and are gonna possibly help with your milk supply. So, again, fruit with nut butter and seeds, maybe chia seeds or hemp seeds. If you've never heard of chia seeds, or hemp seeds, look those up. But hemp seeds are really good for our omegas. Our omega threes. They also translate and have a good amount of protein in them and along with a host of other nutrients. Our chia seeds are good for calcium, iron, protein fiber, and again, a little bit of omegas as well. And so all of those things because we need our omega threes for healthy brain development for our babies and for ourselves. We need calcium for strong bones, we need protein to stay full. So when you're putting that on to maybe some apples with nut butter, you're sprinkling a little bit of those seeds on top, you're getting like a robust amount of nutrients that are going to help you stay fueled. And that are also going to help you to keep producing the milk that you want to produce. On the other side with herbs and teas, because I'm a huge proponent of herbs and teas, whether you're pregnant, breastfeeding or not, I think everybody should incorporate different herbs and they're going to look like Moringa. I know Moringa has been kind of like a popular thing. But it's super, super nutrient dense. And it's also really good for milk supply. So whether you buy the powder and you dump it into your smoothie, whether you make a Moringa latte, or whether you buy the herb and put it in a tea, I'm a huge proponent of that. I'm a huge proponent of nettle. Stinging nettle is another good one. It is like a multivitamin. So it has got everything. Your iron, your calcium, your vitamin A, B, C, D, it's got everything in it. So if you're drinking a cup or two of nettle every single day, that's going to help with your milk supply, because it's, it's releasing all these good nutrients for you. And being able to boost your supply. So those are two key ones. Another one I'm gonna say is just it's fennel. It's, again, you can cook with fennel, you can make the tea. So all of these are things that don't have to be like, really complicated. These are things that you can find in the store. And you can just implement on a daily basis into your diet.
Amanda Gorman:Awesome, super helpful. I seriously really admire anyone who's breastfed multiple babies much less at once. But I think this conversation just really took it to a whole new level. So I just want to thank you very much Aimbriel for for coming and sharing with us. It's really been a pleasure to hear and learn from your experience and your personal story. We'd really like to have you back. Because I know there's a lot more in that head of yours. You you see a lot of our moms and your own moms and they love you. They absolutely do. We hear such great things. So thank you.
Aimbriel Lasley:Yeah, for sure. I appreciate it.
Amanda Gorman:Yes and if our listeners want to get to learn more, how can they get in touch directly with you?
Aimbriel Lasley:For sure I live on Instagram. That is where I live for the most part. So my private practice page is Holisticlactationcare, that's just straight one word. And if you want to learn more about plant based foods, or how to feed your kids, or how to get them to eat more vegetables, or all the things, then my other Instagram is black_mamavegan. So I spelled mama "mama" so again, that's black_mamavegan. And I post a lot of recipes and what like I said what we're eating in a day and things like that. So either one of those you can find me on there pretty much every other day. Drop me a message.
Amanda Gorman:Well, thank you so much. And you mamas and mamas-to-be that is today's show. If you have a topic or a question or any ideas about breastfeeding, we should certainly hear from you as well. So please send us a message on Instagram or Facebook@breastfeedingunplugged or visit our website at www.breastfeedingunplugged.com for everything you need to know and the transcript of today's show. So until next week, it's me Amanda wishing you lots of love and luck on your breastfeeding journey. Boo bye.[Outro] Breastfeeding Unplugged. Breastfeeding Unplugged.